JCS DISCUSSION/FORUM

Endurance Blueprints (posted by fernando bustos, 4 Aug 2008, 18:29)

Dear Gentlemen: Is there a way to get hold of a copy of Endurance's blueprints? I see others have enquired on this Forum regarding this subject though I could find no published reply. Could you please comment? Congratulations for a most fine web page. Kind regards, Fernando Bustos

Shackleton in Kennington (posted by S. Martin, 10 Jul 2008, 14:32)

I read somewhere that,at some point in his life, Shackleton lived at 63 Kennington Park Road, London SE11. I cannot remember where I read this but I wonder if anyone can verify it for me. I live in Kennington Park Road. Thank you

Ernest Shackleton Autumn School (posted by Seamus Taaffe, 19 Jun 2008, 09:09)

The 8th Ernest Shackleton Autumn School will be held in Athy, County Kildare Ireland on the weekend of the 24-27th October 2008. Now established as the premier Polar event in Ireland, the Ernest Shackleton school attracts visitors from all over the world. Full details of the weekend will be available at the website (www.athyheritagecentre-museum.ie) from the end of June. By the end of May preliminary details will on the website of the Athy Heritage Centre-Museum.

Thomas Crean (posted by Richard J. Moran, 17 Jun 2008, 12:18)

Hello, This is a message for John Crean who posted a question on the 6th November 2007, regarding a possible family connection through his great grandfather to the late great Tom Crean. I am conducting some genealogical research into his origins in and around Annascaul in Co. Kerry, Ireland, with a view to a Biography. I would therefore be very interested if you could contact me through the following email address: richard.moran@ukho.gov.uk Likewise, if any potential relatives would like to get in touch, I would be most grateful. Many thanks and best regards, Richard J. Moran.

JCS Journal Number Four (posted by Stephen Scott-Fawcett, 5 Jun 2008, 22:27)

I thought folk might like to know that the next issue of the JCS Journal (Number Four) is now at the printers and is due to be published in October 2008.Items include: An original essay by Michael Smith on the Nimrod Expedition 1907/9; Comments on and extracts from McNish's Diary; An account of the Antarctic Treaty; Background articles by Michael Rosove and Meredith Hooper regarding their recent publications; Letters to the Editor, 3 book reviews and more beside. I have included some original pen and ink illustrations by Grace Turzig (Walter How's niece) and some fine photos of Palmer Station and its penguin colonies. The front cover contains an original oil painting of Shackleton(by Martin Gowar) commissioned by me last year. Martin was at Grammar School with me back in the late sixties. Stephen Scott-Fawcett (JCS Journal Editor)

marston painting (posted by Penelope Nelson, 5 Jun 2008, 02:21)

Can anyone please tell me the price gained at auction in 2006 by that Marston painting of the Aurora? thank you Penelope Nelson Sydney Australia (At CHRISTIE'S POLAR SALE at King Street, London on Wed 27 Sept 2006, a Marston oil painting 'Aurora Australis', of interest because Marston painted t on venesta board and the back of the painting has stenciled lettering. This is the same material used for binding the book 'Aurora Australis'. The estimate was £15,000-20,000.)

Book - 'Shackleton's Boat: the Story of the James Caird' (posted by Lenny Taylor, 29 May 2008, 23:05)

To Chris Taylor (below) If you go to the website Alibris.com you can find copies for sale. The least expensive copy now listed is US $56.80.

Men wanted for Hazardous Journey (posted by Amy Jane Ward, 29 May 2008, 13:38)

In a message dated 28/05/2008 11:00:37 GMT Daylight Time, I wonder if anyone can help me? I am looking to purchase the original newspaper article that Shackleton ran, the one which reads... "Men wanted for hazardous journey. Small wages, bitter cold, long months of complete darkness, constant danger, safe return doubtful. Honour and recognition in case of success. Ernest Shackleton" I would be grateful for any leads or suggestions towards tracking down the original newspaper advertisement. Many thanks in advance. Amy (The advertisement must have run in 1913 or 1914. Despite many attempts we have been unable to locate this famous article although we still believe it to be genuine. However in the absence of firm evidence, Roland Huntford (Shackleton, p 365) casts doubt on this, although produced no evidence to the contrary. - Ed)

WANTED: Shackleton's Boat book (posted by Chris Taylor, 14 May 2008, 15:20)

I would like to get hold of a good copy of 'Shackleton's Boat: the Story of the James Caird'. The publishers have run out of copies and the Amazon site is either from the USA or way over priced. I would like to get a copy as a gift for my godfather in NZ for his 85th as Shackleton is one of his heroes. Thanks, CT

Endurance (posted by John Turnbull, 10 May 2008, 00:53)

Sorry, I made a mistake the name below is not Pattern but Leonard Patten. Thanks John Turnbull

Vessel Endurance (posted by John Turnbull, 6 May 2008, 03:00)

I have a sketch done by Leonard Pattern with kind regards to Len Hoare. This was sketched at the West Indies Dock in June 1914 of the Vessel Endurance. Could anyone tell me anything about it please. Thanks John Turnbull

Arctic Kites - Flip Byrnes (posted by Richard Sunderland, 1 May 2008, 15:24)

Austalian Flip Byrnes,great granddaughter of Frank Hurley (photographer on Shackleton's Expedition) is currently with my son Christopher Sunderland, his fiancee Rachel Owen and 2 others on the 640km Arctic Kites Expedition. They are crossing Greenland from east to west coast, using skis and ski sails. See full details at: www.arctickites.com and also: www.crossinggreenland.com (See also article on the main JCS News page - Ed.)

Mysterious Watercolour... (posted by Rupert Maas, 10 Apr 2008, 04:17)

We have this watercolour, and we don't know who it is by, but its age and authenticity are apparent. David Wilson has told us that it is not in his opinion by his uncle Dr Edward Wilson. It is too abstract and the handwriting is not his. He did however suggest that it might have been done by Apsley Cherry Garrard. Has anyone got an opinion about it? I would be grateful if you would email us directly (mail@maasgallery.com) as well as post to this forum because I am not a regular visitor! 20th Century British Glacier Glow by Night Water-colour; inscribed 'Glacier Glow by Night'; further inscribed 'Glacier gleaming by night. Only a rough sketch but gets the feathery feel of the rocks and the uncanny gleam ... heavy cloud'; 4.25 x 8 inches EXHIBITED: The Campden Gallery Ltd (old label)

Glacier watercolour

Lost Men (posted by Martin, 31 Mar 2008, 23:03)

In reply to Marcus Light's enquiry about Shackleton's lost men, check out the book by Lennard Bickel, "Shackleton's Forgotten Men" I've read Bickel's book, "Mawson's Will" which was a superb account of Mawson's tragic expedition. " Shackleton's Forgotten Men" has excellent reviews and is next on my list to buy. Good luck... "Shackleton's Forgotten Men" is published by Pimlico (Random House, 2001). See also Denis O'Connell's reply "The Ross Sea Shore Party" below - Ed.

Polar Medal (posted by Michael Smith, 28 Mar 2008, 14:33)

In response to Ken Wood's question about the four men from Endurance who were denied the Polar Medal, they were: Holness, McNeish (or McNish), Stephenson and Vincent.

Polar medals (posted by Ken Wood, 27 Mar 2008, 05:55)

I am great admirer of Shackleton and his men, in fact I teach his Leadership principles. Can anyone please tell me who were the four men who were denied the Polar Medal? I know of McNish & Vincent: who were the others? Many thanks Ken Wood Adelaide, Australia

Publishing in the Antarctic. Shackleton (posted by Denis O' Connell, 25 Mar 2008, 10:08)

Just a little trivia for those who revel in minutiae. I recently visited the Alexander Turnbull reference library in Wellington NZ to view an original copy of 'Aurora Australis' (the 1907-1908 edition, 'Printed at the Sign of 'The Penguins' by Joyce and Wild and published at the Winter Quarters of the British Antarctic (Nimrod) Expedition, 1907 during the Winter Months of April, May, June, July, 1908. Illustrated with Lithographs and Etchings by George Marston; with an introduction by Mary P. Goodwin and contributions by T. W. Edgeworth David ('Ascent of Mount Erebus'), Nemo, A Messman, Putty, Lapsus Linguae, A.F.M., Shellback, James Murray, and Douglas Mawson.) It is a fascinating book, if only for the conditions under which it was constructed. The paper used by Wild and Co. had a watermark with the makers 'Abbey Mills, Greenfield' and I assume all copies were constructed with this supply from Abbey Mills. I have worked in the paper industry for about 20 years and had never heard of this company until recently. Last year a friend of mine died; and in the clearout of the lady's house, a book of paper samples from 'Abbey Mills' was discovered by the relatives and was presented to me as no one else wanted it. There was no mention of Greenfield in the sample book and it remained a mystery. Now the loop has been closed as I had worked on a site (in 1998) which was then known to me as 'Robert Fletchers, Greenfield'. This company has now sadly gone as well. It was situated in Greenfield, near Oldham, Manchester.

Lectures available via the Society's web pages? (posted by Barry Goldstein, 21 Mar 2008, 19:37)

I just received the announcement of Paul Rose's lecture. I would love to attend this lecture (and all the others over the years), but that's not going to happen, given that I live in the US. It would serve all of the membership that for one reason or another cannot attend the lectures in person to have something from them posted on the Society's web pages. At least the text, though in this day and age it would be relatively easy to make the actual lecture available, with sound and picture(s) as delivered. Is there any chance of this ever happening? Thanks. BG

HURLEY PHOTO (posted by Douglas Cluff, 16 Mar 2008, 20:58)

I've seen two different photographs of the James Caird being launched. One shows it being launched with just one mast, like the Photo on the James Caird Society home page. The other is the photo in both "South" and Frank Hurley's book. They show the boat being launched with two masts. Any thoughts or information would be most hephful. Thanks Doug

Dominic Beauvoisin (posted by Christopher Beauvoisin, 10 Mar 2008, 18:52)

Hi Apart from my interest in Shackleton I notice a question raised by a Dominic Beauvoisin who is surely a relative of mine. Would it be possible I wonder for you to put us in contact please? Many thanks

Shackleton in Margate: Web address for the Downing Street petition (posted by Stephen Pavelin, 7 Mar 2008, 13:14)

The petition can be accessed at the following address: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Shack-in-Margate/

Shackleton in Margate: 10 Downing Street Petition (posted by Stephen Pavelin, 7 Mar 2008, 09:45)

I would like to draw to the attention of the membership of the James Caird Society an online petition at the 10 Downing Street website (in the People and Organisations section). It reads: We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to support the erection of a statue in Margate Harbour to commemorate Shackleton's Endurance expedition.

Message from JCS website editor (posted 29 Feb 2008, 13:11)

Many thanks, Giles, for this most useful message, which has now been acted on (see the JCS website's Films section). As you indicate, it would appear this BBC drama-documentary is still not available in anything bu North American format; one hopes this may be corrected in due course.

'Shackleton - A Story of Survival' (posted by Giles Hobson, 28 Feb 2008, 18:19)

Previous contributors to the forum have made reference to the elusive 1982 BBC film, 'Shackleton' (a.k.a. 'Icebound in the Antarctic'). However, I can find no reference on the website to another BBC programme about Ernest Shackleton. It was originally broadcast in the UK in June 2000 as part of a three part series entitled 'Wilderness Men'. The drama documentary was called, 'Shackleton - A Story of Survival' and featured the actor David Yelland in the title role. The other two episodes detailed the North American trade route pioneers, Lewis and Clark and the German naturalist and explorer, Alexander von Humboldt. The Shackleton documentary ignited my interest in what, until that time, had merely been a name vaguely associated in my mind with the era of Scott and Amundsen. At fifty minutes long it does not have the opportunity to expound at such length on the 'Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition' as, for example, George Butler's film, 'The Endurance'. Critics may submit that it skirts round some of the more insalubrious elements of the odyssey, such as Shackleton's confrontation with Harry McNeish. However, to my mind, this is one of the finest programmes on Shackleton, with a very humane construal of the man by Yelland and some valuable contributions from, among others, Dr Mike Stroud and the late Sir Edmund Hillary. The series has recently been released on DVD in the USA; not under its original title of 'Wilderness Men' but buried under the label 'Lewis and Clark and Other Adventurers', in deference to the episode that will doubtless have greatest resonance with American viewers. However, it is easily obtainable through various vendors in the UK. I have just received my copy via Amazon UK. It arrived from the USA in a fortnight and cost less than £10, including postage. If you are interested in obtaining a copy, you will require a North American or multi-region DVD player and NTSC compatible TV in order to be able watch it.

ship model (posted by Robert Hauge, 23 Feb 2008, 19:44)

I am looking for sources of plans for any of Shackletons vessels including the James Caird. Ship model kits would also be of interest.

'Nimrod' Expedition car (posted by G. M. Naul Chestertown Maryland USA, 23 Feb 2008, 08:55)

Sir Ernest Shackleton took an Arrol-Johnson automobile (see also the entry below) to the Antarctic in his first expedition. I have long wondered whether this car, the first car on the continent (despite Volkswagen ads years ago) was returned to civilization and whether it is extant. Any information would be appreciated. G.M.Naul

Shackleton's 'Endurance' dogs (posted by RD James Caird Society, 4 Feb 2008, 17:57)

Thank you for your query about the dogs, Michael. I wonder if anyone can help. Frank Hurley's book 'Argonauts of the South', covering the Mawson and Shackleton expeditions, includes details of some of the dogs on both expeditions. 'How dreary the frozen captivity of the ice but for the dogs,' he wrote. There were 54 dogs in total, average weight 85 lb., divided into 5 teams of roughly eight, looked after by Macklin, McIlroy, Marston, Wild and Hurley, in readiness for the planned crossing. Several dogs died (15 - Lansing p 45; some died at South Georgia before the expedition set out), but six puppies were born, including the four seen in the famous picture with Tom Crean; two are represented on Crean's statue outside the South Pole Inn, Anniscoul, Ireland. The 'Endurance' dogs included Samson (the largest in size, shown in Hurly's famous picture of Hussey), four year old Shakespeare (leader of Hurley's team, and nicknamed 'Tatcho', possibly by Hurley), Bob (ow 'owd Bob', Shakespeare's brother), Jasper (the heaviest at 132 lb.), Lupoid, Soldier (leader of Wild's team, red in colour, a bloodhound and wolf cross: 'Numbers of time I have taken the team out seven or eight miles, then given the order 'Home, Soldier' and have actually gone to sleep on the sledge and wakened to find myself alongside the ship': Leif Mills, Frank Wild, p.223), Sailor (the idlest of Hurley's), Sally and her four pups (Roger, Nell, Toby and Nelson), Sue and her two pups (two survived of a litter of 11). Two 'older' pups are mentioned, one Grus (Macklin's diary, quoted in Lansing) and another called Sirius (Lansing p 74). Shackleton claims (Introduction to 'South', p xvii) that he named a dog after each 'of the Public Schools of England and Scotland (that) helped to purchase the dog teams': for several reasons, a slightly dubious claim, However in 'South' Shackleton does mentions more than ten dogs: Amundsen, Con, Hercules, Nigger, Oscar, Peter (Hurley's 'Bony' Peter), Pinkey, Pompey, Snapper and Towzer (Shackleton's spellings). Frank Worsley mentions Steamer (Endurance, p. 47) and Satan (p.48), for a time the pack leader. Three others mentioned by Hurley appear to be 'Endurance' dogs: 'Bummer', Colonel (no relation to Orde-Lees) and Saint (whom Shackleton also mentions).

the Dogs on Endurance (posted by Michael Davis, 4 Feb 2008, 13:54)

Hello I am looking for the names of the dogs that were on the Endurance. I wonder if anyone has any information on this. Thank you. Michael

Shackleton 1980's BBC film (posted by Phillip Christman, 26 Jan 2008, 18:12)

As we approach the 100th anniversary of the voyage of "Endurance" it may well be time to lobby the BBC to re-issue on DVD their 1980's miniseries on this event. RD's reply to D. Beauvoisin's question concerning this film is good information. Thanks for this. Now, let's get started on our lobbying effort as the next six and a half years will fly by. Nowhere can I find anything about this 1980's film. I've tried the BBC and Amazon.com and all they have is the 2003 film starring Kenneth Branaugh. I'm writing to each of them recommending a re-release on DVD of the 1980's miniseries entitled "Shackleton". The more who write, the greater the chances of success. If anyone knows of a source for copies of this film, please post it on the Forum. Thanks.

plans for the endurance ship (posted by cristina, 21 Jan 2008, 22:56)

Where can I get the plans for the Endurance ship, as I would like to make a scale model, or are there any kits available? I am too interested to get it, here in Spain is impossible. Thank you very much.

Answer to D. Beauvoisin (Shackleton Film in the 1980s, 25 Dec 07) (posted by RD JCS website, 21 Jan 2008, 00:42)

Thanks for raising a very valuable, important point. The film you refer to is (I think) 'Shackleton', a first-rate 4-hour BBC feature film of the explorer's life, written by Christopher Ralling (a book by him accompanied the serial) and directed by Martyn Friend. It was made by the BBC in collaboration with The Entertainment Channel, Seven Network Australia and Television New Zealand. 'Shackleton' starred David Schofield as as an articulate (if insufficiently charismatic) Shackleton, John Watts as Frank Worsley and David Rodigan, giving a strong and memorable performance as Frank Wild. The producer was John Harris, and its original film score was composed in the classic British film tradition by Francis Shaw. It was made in four parts of one hour each (later seen, as you point out, as 2 x 2 hr programmes): 'A Merchant Navy man', covers the early years; 'Our dead bodies must tell the tale' embraces the 'Nimrod' expedition and the assault on the Pole; 'Men wanted for Hazardous Journey' describes the 'Endurance' expedition up to the ship's sinking; and 'Cape Horn or South Georgia?' covers Ocean and Patience Camps, the escape from the ice, the voyage of the 'James Caird' and the crossing of South Georgia. The film's cast includes Timothy Bate (Lord Curzon), Geoffrey Chater (Sir Clements Markham), Robert Lang, Robert James (Scott-Keltie, the scheming secretary of the RGS) Anthony Bate, Victoria Fairbrother (Emily Shackleton), Miriam Margolyes (the children's nanny!), Kevin Whateley (Jameson Boyd Adams), Andrew Seear (Dr. Eric Marshall), David Rodigan (Frank Wild), John Watts (Frank Worsley), John Flanagan (Tom Crean), Peter Dahlsen (Frank Hurley), Michael Hayward (George Marston), Leonard` McGuire (Harry 'Chips' McNish, Stephen Tate (Leonard Hussey) and John Wheatley (Perce Blackborow), with Benjamin Whitrow as Amundsen, Neil Stacy as Captain Scott and Paul Hastings as Dr. Edward Wilson. Ralling and his team made strenuous efforts to do proper justice to the unbelievable boat journey and mountain crossing, neither of which seemed wholly satisfactorily addressed in the otherwise splendid Branagh and Imax films. This makes it all the more regrettable that Ralling's film is no longer available from the BBC and remains very hard to come by. For Ralling, see www.wildlifeworldwide.com/information/fow2005_ralling.htmlm See also the reference elsewhere on the JCS website, at www.jamescairdsociety.com/shackleton-news.php?id=100429

Team reaches South Pole (posted by Bert Wilsley Cheshire, 18 Jan 2008, 23:34)

Fellow readers of the Forum may be glad to hear Doug Stoup and Richard Dunwoody of the Iceaxe team, the American and Briton who have been reenacting the journey Shackleton hoped to make in 1915 from the Weddell Sea to the Geographic South Pole on his Endurance expdition, successfully reached the Pole today Friday. A fine achievement. They have posted full details at their website, www.beyondshackleton.com (Richard was best known as a champion jockey).

Shackleton's Birth (posted by Seamus Taaffe, 15 Jan 2008, 11:07)

Doug Just to re-assure you re Shackleton's birthplace. He was born at Kilkea, County Kildare about 7 miles from me, as the crow flies, as I type this email. The Shackleton family moved from Yorkshire in the late 17th century to the village of Ballitore, County Kildare which is a few miles from Kilkea. A group of local Shackleton enthusiasts, to commemorate Shackleton's achievements established an annual autumn school here in Athy in 2001. It has been a great success. For further details see the website - www.athyheritagecentre-museum.ie

Ref research ship RRS Shackleton (see David Reid's message below) (posted by Nathan Bradbury, 10 Jan 2008, 10:31)

Thanks for the posting David, I am very interested in any photos you may have, and basically finding out about your times with my dad. He died a few years ago and the family dont know much about his earlier years. I would very much appreciate it if you could contact me, I remember him talking about you, if I have the right person. You can contact me on nathan@soulfulentertainment.co.uk, or call me on 07905 875423

Shackleton birthplace enigma (posted by Doug Butler Adelaide, 9 Jan 2008, 03:36)

I'm perplexed at the contradictory statements about Shackleton's birthplace. Many respectable references (and by far the majority of websites) give it as Kilkea Co. Kildare (in the middle of Ireland), but quite a few give it as Kilkee Co. Clare (on the west coast). I lean to the latter, as it is favoured by some quite old references, but does anyone have better documentation?

In reply to Nathan Bradbury (posted by David Reid, 7 Jan 2008, 16:13)

Ref. Nathan Bradbury's request (see 'Crews on the Shackleton', 30 Aug 2007 below) for photos or information re. the research ship RRS Shackleton: I was with your father on 1960 expedition. We subsiquently went to Orkney Islands on a one year fishing trip, I visited your father when he was involved with a light house project. You were a young boy who I remember. What information do you require, regarding antartica 1960 expedition?

Shackleton series in the 1980's (posted by D Beauvoisin (posted on Christmas Day), 25 Dec 2007, 20:23)

I am trying to obtain a copy (of a video) from the 1980's which showed the epic voyage of Shackleton. All that I can remember is that it started at 8 and ran till 10pm and was shown during the week. Unfortunately I cannot remember what channel it was on, or what year it was. Can anybody help or advise? Regards Dominic Beauvoisin

Shackleton School (posted by Seamus Taaffe, 5 Dec 2007, 08:01)

At the recent Ernest Shackleton Autumn School, The Hon. Alexandra Shackleton, President of the James Caird Society and granddaughter of the explorer, launched 'Nimrod', the new Journal of the School. 'Nimrod' contains a variety of articles on Shackleton/Polar matters and will be published on an annual basis hereafter. This inaugural issue has articles by Bob Headland on the genesis and history of the Antarctic Treaty, Bob Burton on Shackleton at South Georgia, Jim McAdam on the Shackletons and the Falklands, Joe O'Farrell on Polar literature and David Murphy on Francis Leopold McClintock. There is also a series of book reviews on Shackleton related publications. 'Nimrod' is available for order from the Athy Heritage Centre-Museum, co. Kildare, Ireland. See their website (www.athyheritagecentre-museum.ie) for contact details

The James Caird at the Boat Show (posted by RD James Caird Society website, 23 Nov 2007, 14:28)

Very good to hear from you again, Trevor (see Trevor Potts below) - and thanks for your helpful clarifying answer to John Crean's query about reenactions. Readers of the JCS Forum may be interested to know that a different kind of 'reenaction' will take place shortly, from 1-9 December 2007, when the James Caird once again leaves Dulwich to be proudly displayed at the Whyte & Mackay London Boat Show at Earl's Court. It will first be seen on the Press Day on Friday 30 November, and then will be on view to the general public and all Shackleton enthusiasts from Sat 1st to Sunday 9th Dec. Opening hours are 10-7 most days, with late opening till 9 p.m. on Thurs 6 Dec only, and an early closure at 4.00 on Sunday 9th, which is the last day. More details can be found at www.earlscourtboatshow.com (This Whyte and Mackay Boat Show in December should not be confused with the official London Boat Show, which takes place in January).

re-enactment of Shackleton's Boat Journey (posted by Trevor Potts, 13 Nov 2007, 00:17)

In reply to John Crean's enquiry regarding Shackleton's Boat Journey, which his Great Uncle Tom Crean took part in, it depends what John means by 'the Boat Journey from start to finish'. Myself and a crew of three others (one woman and two men), sailed in a replica of the 'James Caird' from Elephant Island to South Georgia between 24th December 1993 and 5th January 1994. Our boat was unaccompanied by any support craft and had no engine, only sails and oars. We were unable to land on EI owing to heavy swell and so left from near Cape Valentine once the Icebreaker had departed over the horizon. We did not sail into King Haakon Bay owing to a severe storm; we sailed eventually round the far side of South Georgia to Stromness, and then to Grytviken. We also did about half the mountain crossing in reverse, starting from Stromness. About two years later an Irish group (Frank Nugent, Paddy Barry) attempted the same journey in a similar-sized boat (not a replica, as it had a small transom stern) called, in honour of John's ancestor, the 'Tom Crean' Unfortunately they capsized in heavy weather and were rescued by the yacht 'Pelagic' that was their support vessel. This trip was filmed for Irish TV. Sometime about this time Aarved Fuchs did the journey, but started at Hope Bay (although Shackleton when getting from the ice to EI never went anywhere near Hope Bay) and sailed to Elephant Island, where he was met and assisted by his yacht the 'Dagmar' (which carried the film crew). He then sailed (in his boat 'James Caird II' to King Haakon Bay where he was met and assisted (towed) ashore by the Dagmar (which apparently was not in support during the trip?). They then completed the traverse. Arved's website (www.arved-fuchs.de) states his ('Shackleton 2000') is the first and only re-enactment, as he did the whole journey unsupported from the ice (he presumably means Hope Bay). Fuchs was sponsored by Jack Wolfskin outdoor equipment. There is (was a few years ago) some information in English translation on this German website. I have recently had my 1 hr video of the expedition transferred to DVD. I also give lectures about the expedition. For more information, Trevor can be contacted through his website www.ardnamurchanstudycentre.co.uk Trevor Potts

Dudley Docker (posted by Roderic Dunnett, 10 Nov 2007, 18:50)

Apropos Craig's splendid response to William McPherson's earlier photo enquiry, readers may be interested in this additional picture of Dudley Docker. It relates to a visit in 1923 by HRH the Prince of Wales (later King Edward VIII) to the factory at Small Heath, Birmingham, which was the epicentre of Dudley Docker's feverish engineering activity. After a rapid growth (1881-1902)in civilian production of paint and varnish, largely for carriages and railway wagons at home and abroad, Docker acquired a railway rolling stock company and at the same time, through his association with British Small Arms, an interest in firearms, cars (briefly), cycles and motor-cycles - for which the BSA name became legendary. In 1902 he formed a massive conglomerate, the Metropolitan Amalgamated Railway Carriage and Wagon Company, a merger of five rival companies to which others were then added, which from 1914 emerged as one of the UK's key manufacturers of guns, armoured vehicles and finally tanks for the First World War effort. In the picture below, Dudley Docker is second from left, next to the mayor and (presumably) lady mayoress; to their right is the H. R. H. Prince of Wales, looking perhaps not over-enthralled at this celebration of Midland engineering genius. (If anyone can identify others from the photo, that would be most welcome). Docker's stance in the picture is typical: alert, jovial, the face of a lively conspirator. Ironically it was in 1916, when Shackleton and his lost 'Endurance' expedition which he sponsored, returned safely, that Docker suffered most dramatically from the almost Churchillian gloom and despondency which occasionally seriously affected him. Such was the Small Heath conglomerate's contribution to the war effort, and such was Dudley Docker's personal significance at the hub of British industry, that Winston Churchill himself visited the factory towards the end of the war, enjoying the hospitality of Docker's comfortable home at Kenilworth, near Coventry. Famed as a 'fixer' putting together mergers and business deals, and as a master of persuasion, Dudley Docker's unique energies were largely responsible for the subsequent creation of the future Confederation of British Industry.

The James Caird at Dulwich (posted by the Hon. Secretary, 6 Nov 2007, 19:43)

Dear Maureen, Just to confirm our reply to you, yes, the James Caird will be at Dulwich College all through November and until mid/late December, when it will be travelling to Earls Court in London to be displayed at the London Boat Show. It was at the Boat Show in 1994 that the Caird was first displayed by Harding Dunnett and Alexandra Shackleton, and this led to the founding of the James Caird Society. We do hope you and your husband will greatly enjoy your visit and feel inspired by the boat. Yours sincerely, RD pp Mrs. Pippa Hare, Hon. Sec.

Unknown Man - to Craig Poore (posted by William McPherson Aberdeen Scotland, 6 Nov 2007, 18:36)

Craig Thanks so much for replying to my tentative enquiry in May. It is fantastic that you have come up with an answer to my puzzle, and that the man in the picture is Shackleton's sponsor Dudley Docker. I have now located the book you mention ('Dudley Docker - Life and Times of a Trade Warrior' on Amazon and the picture I posted does indeed appear onthe cover, as you said. Old D.D. appears to have been quite a figure in Midlands industry - I hadn't realised he was so important and influential. I'm surprised he didn't get honoured with a knighthood. Smart of Sir Ernest, to have nabbed him for the 'Endurance' expedition, and naming one of the James Caird's fellow lifeboats after him. All best wishes, William

Boat Journey (posted by John Crean, 6 Nov 2007, 13:05)

Hello: I would like to know if there has ever been an actual re-enactment of the epic boat journey from start to finish. I live in the USA, My grandfather is of Irish parents who came from Ireland from county Kerry. It is believed that my great grandfather (grandfather's father) and Tom Crean were brothers or cousins. Thank You John Crean

James Caird (posted by Maureen Patrie, 4 Nov 2007, 20:50)

Is the James Caird currently at Dulwich College? I'd appreciate an early response as I leave the States for England on Wednesday the 7th November and it is my plan to journey down to Dulwich if the James Caird is currently there. Thanks for the help.

Reply to William McPherson - re: unknown man (posted by Craig Poore, 26 Oct 2007, 03:35)

William - The man pictured appears to be Dudley Docker, one of the three patrons for whom Shackleton named a life boat. Mr. Docker lived from 1862-1944 and was a very prominent business man. In fact, the picture you posted appears on the cover of the 2004 book "Dudley Docker: The Life and Times of a Trade Warrior." The book is available on Amazon if you'd like to know more.

James Caird Exhibition in America? (posted by W. Ebber, 17 Oct 2007, 08:02)

Does anyone here know if/when the James Caird is scheduled for its next exhibition tour in America? Sincere thanks in advance for any information.

Primary School e-assembly about Sir Ernest Shackleton (posted by Lillian McMahon, 15 Oct 2007, 15:31)

We at Teaching Expertise (www.teachingexpertise.com) have just published an e-assembly for Primary Schools about Sir Ernest Shackleton's Antarctic expedition and have included a link to your website. The Primary School e-assembly (with the special mention about The James Caird Society) is at www.teachingexpertise.com/edezines/151007.html You may also like to know that next month (from his departure on 3 November 2007) our own Antarctic explorer, Geography teacher Phil Avery, makes his own expedition to the southernmost part of the globe. Phil will be posting a regular blog for us from Antarctica. It can be found at www.teachingexpertise.com/blog/teachingonice kind regards, Lillian

Perce Blackborow (posted by Roderic Dunnett, 8 Oct 2007, 23:31)

Thanks for your enquiry, Dave (see below). A good place to begin such enquiries is at www.antarctic-circle.org/endurance.htm where you will find a list of Blackborow relatives. You and your father don't appear on it yet, so you may want to contact Antarctic Circle's Webmaster to notify him. Perce died in 1949 and his son James also died quite recently, but John Blackborow, Perce's grandson, who - as you rightly say - lives in Newport (where Perce's grave can be found), and the next generation of his family are very much in contact and maintaining the tradition. John is a loyal member of the James Caird Society, as this picture of him at the IMAX Shackleton film opening confirms. I am sending you John Blackborow's contact details by email (assuming you do not have them already), as he is definitely the best person to make your enquiries of regarding all things Blackborow and especially family matters. I hope this of some help. Best wishes, Roderic Dunnett JCS Web Editor

uncle blackborow (posted by Dave Kearns Northampton, 4 Oct 2007, 07:38)

I am researching one of my uncles from Newport, South Wales, Perce Blackborow, am trying to get as much info as I can, but keep hitting dead ends. I want to find out for my father who is getting on in years.

The Ross Sea Shore Party (Richards) (posted by Denis O' Connell, 11 Sep 2007, 12:31)

If my memory serves me correctly, a question was posed some time ago about the death of men in the Antarctic during the Imperial Transantarctic (Endurance) Expedition. I recommended a book as titled above and I can advise anyone who might want a copy that I saw some for sale at Discovery Point very recently, indeed I purchased a copy as I had only heard about the book prior to purchasing. These books do not appear to be advertised and can be difficult to get. A reprint of course, but worth it for the tale alone. Tel. No. for Discovery Point 01382 201245. I hope this makes at least one person happy. Regards Denis

Ernest Shackleton Autumn School (posted by Seamus Taaffe, 5 Sep 2007, 09:49)

Just to remind everybody that that the 7th Ernest Shackleton Autumn School will be held in Athy, County Kildare, Ireland on the weekend 26th-29th October. Full details can be found at www.athyheritagecentre-museum.ie where there is a fully downloadable brochure available.

JCS JOURNAL No.3 (posted by Stephen Scott-Fawcett, 3 Sep 2007, 22:50)

Hello, I am the new editor of the JOURNAL. I would like to express my gratitude to the many folk who have taken the trouble to write to the Society in such a positive manner, following publication of JCS Journal No. 3. in April 2007. The good news is, I am busy working on the next edition (due Easter 2008, or thereabouts). It is shaping up well. A message to all members - this is YOUR Journal. If you feel you have something to contribute and/or you would like to request topics for future coverage please feel free to contact me on sdfsurveyor@btopenworld.com In order to fund the next issue additional/new sponsors are being sought. If you would like to publicise your business in Journal No. 4 this is your chance to make an impression! Send me your details by email or write to me at Shackleton House, Burrell Close, Holt, Norfolk, NR25 6DT.

Crews on the Shackleton (posted by Nathan Bradbury, 30 Aug 2007, 15:54)

Hi, I am looking for help with the history of the research ship the Shackleton. My late father was a member of the crew on board in what we think was the 1960's. I know he travelled to Antarctica, South Africa amongst other destinations. I am looking for photographs, or any information from these voyages, and don't know where to look. Any help would be appreciated in tracking this info down. Best Regards Nathan

Message from Enid Leverson (posted 21 Aug 2007, 19:54)

Funnily enough, Marci, I'm not sure I believe you.

The Quest's Cat, Questie (posted by Marci Jarvis, 21 Aug 2007, 16:35)

Greetings: Although there is a lot of information about Mrs. Chippy, the cat who accompanied Shakelton aboard the Endurance, it is much more difficult to find anything about a small black cat named 'Questie'. This cat was aboard the Quest during Shakelton's last expedition. I attached a scan of Questie with Scout Marr on a stamp from Tristan da Cunha. The inscription reads: Scout Marr and Ship's Cat Questie." Any informatin would be greatly appreciated.

Irish Explorers (posted by Roderic Dunnett, 31 Jul 2007, 10:45)

Thanks for your enquiry, Andrew In the first instance, can I suggest you address your query to Michael Smith, author of Tom Crean - An Unsung Hero. Michael is extremely knowledgeable on the subject and often lectures about Crean and Shackleton. Michael can probably best be contacted via the Collins Press in Cork, +353 (0)21 434 7717 www.collinspress.com or if you would like it I can send you his contact details. See also his comments at http://website.lineone.net/~polar.publishing/tomcreanunsunghero.htm I expect you have tried Margaret Walsh at the Athy Heritage Centre, co. Kildare (+353 (0)59 863 3075, http://athyheritagecentre-museum.ie). She will probably be able to put you in touch with Aidan Dooley, the actor who plays Tom Crean in his own one-man show, so as to seek his opinion. There is some useful information online about Tim(othy) McCarthy, who accompanied Shackleton and Crean on the James Caird boat journey and was later the first Endurance member to be killed at sea in the Great War, in 1917. Most obviously, try http://www.visitandlearn.co.uk/enduranceobituaries/mccarthy.asp (which also contains several different, albeit low-resolution, photos; and also http://www.beyondendurance.ie/antarctic-history/mccarthy-brothers.php (NB: underscore not dash) which features the McCarthy brothers (Mortimor and Timothy) and contains additional information on Forde, Keohane and Bransfield. Also have a look at or order via your library Shackleton's Way: Leadership Lessons from the great Antarctic Explorer by Margot Morrell and Stephanie Capparell, a landmark book which looks at precisely those enduring qualities of leadership, inventiveness, loyalty and teamwork that you are probably seeking. It's available from Longitude Books (www.longitudebooks.com), Amazon UK and other suppliers.

Shackleton's legacy (posted by Andrew Moore, 30 Jul 2007, 20:31)

I am writing an M.A. essay for a Museum Studies course and I have decided to prepare a fictive Exhibition Plan based on Irish polar explorers. Can I ask the members of this group as to what you would consider as the main personal characteristics of Shackleton which have provided such an important legacy to not only explorers of today but also to our modern society in general and what lessons do you think we can learn from him? Many thanks, Andrew Moore, Dublin.

Namesake (posted by Colin Ernest Tucker, 28 Jul 2007, 06:06)

I heard a story from my father a few years ago that a member of our family was associated with Ernest Shackelton, the result was that my father (now in his 80's) is named Ernest Quest Tucker (lives in Bristol) and i likewise was named Colin Ernest. Can anyone throw any light on this matter i seem to recall the story had somethng to do with the ship the Quest.

Group portrait (posted by Eunice Carswell Baltimore, 13 Jul 2007, 08:43)

I am slightly puzzled by this photograph, taken in South America. It shows, at rear, six members of the Endurance crew. The centre (seventh) man is allegedly unidentified, though I wonder if he perhaps could be. The lady is also as yet unidentified; and the man in the front is alleged to be Shackleton, although I find the likeness puzzling, to the point of making me sceptical. Yet why else would these six rescued crew members be gathered together in Buenos Aires, in October 1916, for such a formal occasion? (Note the front man's attire, and also that Thomas McLeod is wearing his Bronze Polar Medal from Discovery.) And why only six? Were they the tail end of the party?

Shackleton and cocaine 2 (posted by Trevor Potts, 5 Jul 2007, 22:53)

Further to my previous posting I looked up the list of rations taken on the Southern journey during the 1907-09 expedition. No mention of anything called Forced March but in the medical chest they had among other things; one tube of iron and arsenic composition, one tube of crete aromat cum opio?, one tube of morphine sulphate and two tubes of cocaine hydrochloride. Hardly being aided by "a product based largely on cocaine" as alleged in the Times. The two volumes of "Hints to travellers" carried on the southern journey puzzled me. And finally in their food ration they carried over 22 lb of Plasmon? No I have no idea either. And thanks Roddy for your kind words.

Message from JCS website Coventry (posted 4 Jul 2007, 22:38)

Incidentally, Trevor's message reminds me of that occasion which was so crucial to the founding of the James Caird Society. In the picture below you see Harding McGregor Dunnett, the Society's Founder and author of Shackleton's Boat: The Story of the James Caird, with the Society's later Hon. Treasurer, Cmdr. John McGregor. John's father, Paymaster Commander J.H.McGregor, was Harding Dunnett's double cousin. Tragically he was killed along with over 800 other seamen during World War Two when his ship, HMS Neptune, struck a mine in the Mediterranean. John has subsequently founded his own Association and website (including a Forum) at www.hmsneptune.com, and has drawn together hundreds of descendants and relations of members of the crew.

Trevor Potts and the 'Sir Ernest Shackleton' (posted by Roderic Dunnett JCS Website, 4 Jul 2007, 21:34)

Thanks for your interesting message to the Forum, Trevor: even more importantly, you remind me of an appalling omission on the JCS website - especially as yours was the first and in several senses the most important to date of all the various follow-up 'Wake of Shackleton' expeditions. You were there at the start: it was the ripples made by the four-man crew on your plucky James Caird replica (The Sir Ernest Shackleton) which helped fan the whole revived interest in Shackleton, as 'Zaz' and my late father Harding McGregor Dunnett could vouch. Many of us remember the excitement as your daily reports from the South Atlantic were relayed to the 1994 London Boat Show at Earls Court, where the James Caird was first displayed after restoration (before the James Caird Society even existed!) We'll do our best to rectify this oversight: you and your intrepid team undoubtedly deserve better. Meanwhile, I wonder if anyone can shed light on any aspect of your inquiry about Shackleton and cocaine?

Shackleton and cocaine (posted by Trevor Potts, 4 Jul 2007, 20:26)

An article in the Times on Saturday 30th June about the war on cocaine ('Waiters join the war on drugs as cocaine use soars in Spain') mentions Shackletons use of cocaine on expedition. On a sidebar to the main story under the heading drugs of choice the following is printed "Ernest Shackleton was aided in his explorations by Forced March, a product based largely on cocaine". Does anyone have any more information? It is a long time since I visited the website and I think the forum is an excellent idea. The latest Journal was also excellent. Sorry to see that my expedition "In the wake of Shackleton" still does not merit a mention on the website.

Endurance - Composition (posted by Paul Moxon, 1 Jul 2007, 19:00)

Just wanted to say what a wonderful forum this is and to give an update on "Endurance". Currently my musical composition "Endurance" (mentioned in the 'Arts' section above - see Shackleton and Endurance in Music) is being prepared for both a World Premiere performance and a recording, probably in 2008. If anybody would like a sneak preview, you can hear one of the main themes "On the Seas" at www.myspace.com/pwmoxon The piece is taken from the first movement and describes the great ship as she ploughs through the South Atlantic to a meeting with destiny. All the best Paul

Shackleton at The Firs (posted by RD JCS Website, 28 Jun 2007, 10:37)

In answer to Crispin Smith's enquiry (8 or 9 items below), I'm glad to report that yes, we do have a picture of The Firs School in Sydenham, and Shackleton indeed appears in it. The picture must date from around 1876, when Ernest Shackleton would have been around 12. And he appears in the photo just where you might expect him to be - top dog, alone in the window as if presiding over everyone else, and looking utterly confident. The school was run by "the redoubtable" Miss Higgins (in the photo below Shackleton) and her Chief of Staff, Miss Parry" (presumably in the spectacles on the right). Two other unnamed teachers are also pictured.

Mt. Shackleton (posted by Allan Arkwright, 26 Jun 2007, 14:12)

I see there have been several replies to my reqt for info about Mt Shackleton. The pic is first rate. Thanks to all you folks for replying and also for the maps ect.

The woman behind Shackleton (posted by Katrina Leghorn SA, 26 Jun 2007, 08:15)

This very charming photo, which a reader very kindly emailed me, shows Emily Shackleton (in white) in distinguished company in the summer of 1914, shortly before the sailing of the Endurance and the outbreak of the Great War. Shackleton can be seen on the left, and Frank Wild is just behind Emily on the right. The two ladies nearest Shackleton are the Dowager Queen Alexandra and her sister the Princess Maria Feodorovna (though I am not sure which is which!) The original photo caption also says the child is Princess Louise, but I think it is almost certainly Eddie - Edward Shackleton, the future Lord Shackleton (b July 15 1911), who would have been three almost to the day (South West India Dock, London 16 July 1914).

Lost men (posted by Marc Light, 25 Jun 2007, 17:32)

Mr.O'Connell thanks so much, it is v encouraging to receive a helpful reply and some details and suggestions. I didnt realise there was a 2nd ship. I will look out details of that book you mention, it sounds interesting and important. I'm also interested in the Sea Scouts someone mentioned below. Thanks again.

Reply to Marcus (posted by Denis O Connell, 25 Jun 2007, 13:07)

Hi Marcus, I am no expert on Shackleton and from what little I know I would be inclined to say yes, men died on the Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition. The book South details the second ship, Aurora, which landed on the opposite side of the continent at Mc Murdo sound. Some of these men died through a system of malnutrition, cold and misadventure. The captain of the ship and two others had attempted a journey across the sea ice and although we have no account of what actually happened, it is thought they perished in a state of extreme hunger and hardship. I have to say I have not studied this in great detail and I might have some detail wrong but no doubt, men died. Try a book called The Ross Sea Shore Party by RW Richards. Regards Denis

Shackleton's men (posted by Marcus Light - Rathbone JSch, 20 Jun 2007, 11:16)

I am interested in Ernest Shackleton. I heard in class that Shackleton never lost a man. But my friend told me he thought he had, not on the Endurance but on one of Shackletons other expeditions. Can any one say if this is true and in what circmstances the men died?

Message from Eleonor Southgate (posted 19 Jun 2007, 17:56)

And even Mrs Chippy was a man!!!

Message from Katrina Leghorn Cape Town (posted 19 Jun 2007, 11:46)

Don't all you men seem to be missing the female side of things? I note that Rose expressed an interest in Shackleton's mother (see picture below and Trisha's reply), but I think we should not forget that Ernest had (I think) six sisters - what about all of them? Nor should we forget his long-suffering wife Emily, who had to put up with his heading off into the wild for much of their marriage. I suppose that is where she felt he was happiest. But it must have seemed a long and not always happy time for her, bringing up three children during those long, lonely gaps.

Message from Ben Carterton Osterley (posted 18 Jun 2007, 15:41)

Several people seem interested in Shackleton landmarks. I was much struck by this aerial picture of the Shackleton Range, which is clearly one of the most striking landmarks on the edge of the Weddell Sea, close to Coats Land where Shackleton had hoped to land. Ben.

Message from Richard Gurney (posted 17 Jun 2007, 12:16)

Thanks to you both for the info about Mt. Shackleton and other prominent Shackleton landmarks - it's very detailed and fascinating and also a terrific help. Richard

Shackleton's Scout(s) (posted by Rory Keltie, 16 Jun 2007, 13:39)

If anyone knows the name of the Sea Scout(s)who went with Ernest Shackleton on his last voyage (the one on which explorer sadly died) could they reply to this. It would be great if there was a photo/pic too. Thanks

Message from Crispin Smith (posted 16 Jun 2007, 13:29)

I once lived not far from 'The Firs' school in Chester, and there was also a 'Firs' school in nearby Sale, Cheshire. I see Sir Ernest Shackleton when a boy attended a Firs School in S.London, nr. Dulwich. I wonder if anyone has a picture of him when he was a pupil there?

Message from Walter Greenspan (posted 16 Jun 2007, 11:45)

This picture from a German website also gives a quite clear picture of where the Shackleton Range is located on the overall map of Antarctic.

Message from Wally Greenspan (posted 16 Jun 2007, 11:39)

I see there is some interesting information on the Shackleton Range recorded at the US National Science Foundation website www.nsf.gov/od/opp/antarct/ajus/nsf9850/nsf9850h/ch3.htm

Mt. Shackleton (posted by Will Steer nr Perth WA, 15 Jun 2007, 21:46)

I think this is the picture referred to. There is also a Mt. Shackleton in the Canadian Rockies, in British Columbia; but this is the imposing mountain in Antarctica, also named after the explorer. It is 1,465 m high, steep and abrupt on the west, and is located between the Leay and Wiggins Glaciers on the west side of Graham Land. Also known as Shackleton Peak, it was first located by the French Antarctic Expedition (1908-10) of Jean-Martin Charcot. The Visit and Learn site mentions a Shackleton Ice Shelf, and two Shackleton Inlets, a) a 10 mile wide reentrant between Cape Wilson and Cape Lyttelton discovered by Scott, Shackleton (then Lieut. E. H. Shackleton, RNR) and Edmund Wilson in 19012 and b) a Shackleton Inlet in Greenland, which country also records a third Mt. Shackleton. www.landgate.wa.gov.au records a fourth, a hill named Mount Shackleton near to the small townsite of Shackleton, which located in the central agricultural region of Western Australia, 209 km east of Perth and 32 km west of Bruce Rock. Another (Ukrainian) website seems to indicate a fifth Mt. Shackleton (1,600 m), at or near Peterman Island, off the Western coast of the Antarctic Peninsula at 65.12 S and 64.08 W. All are named after the British explorer. The Shackleton Range (80 degrees 30 8242 S 25 degrees 00 8242 W) is described as a mountain range in Antarctica, rising to 1875 m (6150 ft) and extending in a North-South direction for 184 km (114 m) and and East-West direction for 324 km (201 m) between the Slessor and Recovery Glaciers. Other locations named after Ernest Shackleton, including Shackleton Coast, west of the Ross Ice Shelf and (like the Beardmore Glacier) spanning New Zealand, U.S. and Russian Antarctic territories, and the Shackleton Icefalls that abut the Beardmore Glacier are listed on the Shackleton page of www.coolantarctica.com

Mount Shackleton (posted by Allan Arkwright Sale Cheshire to Jim Gurney, 7 Jun 2007, 20:31)

I seem to remember seeing a photo of Mount Shackleton on the James Caird Society's website somewhere. I think it was on the latest News page, where the most information can be found if you scroll down. It must have been about 12 to 15 items down then, I think in an item featuring the Beardmore Glacier (the route Ernest Shackleton used heading for the South Pole). I recall it was a very good photo, well worth looking out for.

Bespectacled Gentleman (posted by William McPherson Aberdeen, 7 Jun 2007, 20:08)

I'm still intrigued to know who the character below in the photo with a Shackleton connection is (see 'Unknown man' severeal items down this page). Could he be a shipbuilder, or prominent in the Royal Geographical Society. Or a sponsor perhaps? I thought originally he might be John Quiller Rowett, the Dulwich College contemporary who financed Shackleton's Quest expedition. He seems to have a twinkle in his eye. Does he not ring a bell with anyone?

Message from Trisha Purnham (posted 7 Jun 2007, 20:04)

I noticed that noone has yet replied to Rose Wesson's enquiry about a photo of Shackleton's mum. I hope this may help, Rose. It has been published in several volumes, including in Jonathan Shackleton and John Mackenna's's fascinating book about the Shackleton family, Shackleton: An Irishman in Antarctica (Lilliput Press, 25 Euros, 30 USD, 18 £UK). She looks a lovely lady,and it was sad she became ill for so many years, though not before having ten children! Her name was Henrietta and she married a Henry. Huntford mentions her unshakeable Irish optimism, and says she brought her children up well until her illness struck and hid her from the public eye for most of their time in Sydenham, South London. Incidentally, although Tim McCarthy (b.1888), another incurable optimist, was killed on his first day in action in the Great War aged only 28, in March 1917, I believe his elder brother Mortimer (b.1882), who travelled with Captain Scott on three expeditions, survived till 1967, ie well into his eighties. Like Tom Crean he must have had some tales to tell!

reply to Jim (posted by Denis O Connell, 4 Jun 2007, 09:03)

Hi Jim, It would be remiss of me not to mention a discovery made at the weekend. I decided to check the account which was first read by me in a penguin paperback 1999. I have since looked at a Heron publication from an earlier time and in it reference is made to Mc Carthy being over fifty years of age. This is such a confusion and only heightens the frustration of doing any study. My next port of call is to check a first edition. Can anybody out there help? Regards Denis.

Shackleton's slip (posted by J Burrell, 2 Jun 2007, 23:27)

I've checked in South and Denis is quite right - Shackleton does indeed say that Chips McNish was 'over fifty'. He writes, "McCarthy, McNeish, and Vincent had been landed on the Monday afternoon. They were already showing some signs of increasing strength under a regime of warm quarters and abundant food. The carpenter looked woefully thin after he had emerged from a bath. He must have worn a lot of clothes when he landed from the boat, and I did not realize how he had wasted till I saw him washed and changed. He was a man over fifty years of age, and the strain had told upon him more than upon the rest of us. The rescue came just in time for him." If Sir Ernest was dictating to a copy-taker or ghost/assistant writer, he might possibly have made a slip of memory at that stage. Yet strange for him to forget that McNish was actually the same age as himself (or just a few months younger).

reply to Jim Burrell (posted by Denis O' Connell, 1 Jun 2007, 13:04)

Hi Jim, It appears you are correct looking at his date of birth but as with all of this searching, there is so much conflicting evidence. What I remember of Mc Nish was that Shackleton (see 'South') was somewhat appalled at Chippy's physical condition when he saw him undress for a wash at the whaling station just after the rescue. He was just skin and bone and at this point Shackleton remarks " He was a man over fifty years of age, and the strain had told upon him more than upon the rest of us". As with all historical accounts there is every chance this was wrong and could even have been a typing error. Regards Denis

McNish (posted by Jim M Burrell, 30 May 2007, 14:16)

There is a very good entry on McNish or McNeish in the online Wikipedia. Incidentally it says he was born on 11 September 1874 and died on 24 Sept 1930, so he would have been 40 at the time of the Endurance expedition.

About McNeish (posted by Elinor Tait NZ, 30 May 2007, 13:15)

For those keen on McNeish, another page worth visiting, Denis, is (may I suggest) http://www.karorihistory.org.nz/stockade39_HarryMcNeish.htm Which gives a brief resume of McNeish's career based on a talk by John Thomson (Worsley's biographer), including the final years after the war and McNeish's funeral here in New Zealand.

Mc Neish (posted by Walter Rowell , 30 May 2007, 13:03)

I'm afraid can't comment about the second photo Denis mentions (of the chap planing) as sadly it's not in either of my two editions of Lansing; however I do find that if you go to the page http://www.mccabeclan.com/mcneish.htm you find some fascinating details about the family McNeish/McNish showing that the double spelling dates back to at least the 18th century. Many family members are listed there. It turns out the McNeishes, who have Arran and Western Isles associations, were a 'sept' (whatever that is) of the clan MacGregor.

Reply to Oliver - Re Mc Nish. (posted by Denis O' Connell, 30 May 2007, 11:05)

Hi Oliver and many thanks for the reply which was helpful as I had not considered the age element of Mc Nish being 50 at the time. The photo you posted is the correct one and I will briefly explian why I thought it might have been Mc Nish on the left. There is a photo of a man planing a piece of wood in Lansing's book and he is very likely to be Mc Nish although I could be wrong here as I'm sure others would have been able to do some woodwork too. He is doning the same clothes as the chap in the Shackleton photo and the cap is also similar. The open style neck which must have been cold has the effect of making a man look much younger in photos. Secondly, The hands are really quite large and well worked. It is a shame the eyes cannot be made out as Hurley's were quite distinctive and this would remove all doubt. I am now reconcidering my first thoughts and remain less decided than ever as your comments have made me rethink. Regards Denis

Journal (posted by Aidan Smith Stornoway, 29 May 2007, 23:18)

May I echo the views below of Mr. Makin, and also Mr Michiko in Japan. I had a sight of the James Caird Society Journal only the other day and I thought, what a splendid production it was. Packed with information, intelligent and highly worthwhile.

Message from Rose E Wesson Croydon (posted 29 May 2007, 16:14)

I am looking for a picture of Mrs Shackleton who was the mother of the famous explorer. Can anyone point me in the right direction? In hope! from Rose.

Message from Richard Gurney (posted 29 May 2007, 16:13)

Does anyone have a good picture of Mount Shackleton? Please reply to this message with photo if yes. Thanks

Message from Jim Fortescue (posted 29 May 2007, 15:40)

Incidentally, the two men pictured either side of McNeish (see Tim Southern's message in the discussion below) are Hussey and Greenstreet. Hussey (left), by the way, was the metereologist and Greenstreet (right) was I think the First Officer aboard Shackleton's Endurance.

Message from Valerie Harkness Wellington (posted 29 May 2007, 15:22)

On the subject of Henry McNeish, the Endurances carpenter, raised by Denis O'Connell below, I know a lot of people feel some sympathy for him as despite voyaging on the James Caird he (like Vincent) didn't receive his Antarctic (or Polar) medal. However this close-up of his grave at Akaroa may be of some consolation and interest (see also the picture of the statue of Mrs. Chippy further down the page).

Unknown man - could he too have a link to Shackleton? (posted by William McPherson Aberdeen Scotland, 29 May 2007, 15:06)

Like Denis and Alvar below, I too have a Shackleton question. I remember being told that this man (see pic below) had somthing to do with Shackleton's expeditions - though from his slightly dated appearance in the photo, he can't surely have been a member of the crew. It was suggested he might be a doctor or a scientist, or else have some connection with Shackleton's vessels, though whether Discovery, Nimrod, Endurance or Quest, or what, I can't say. Can anyone possibly enlighten me?

McNeish (see various below) (posted by Tim Southern Portsmouth, 29 May 2007, 14:21)

We seem to be short of pictures of McNish (or McNeish). The best known one (included on the visit and learn site) is presumably this one of him shown amongst the crew on Endurance, of which this is a closeup.

ref Denis's query re Shackleton photo (posted by Oliver Wagram, 29 May 2007, 11:58)

I imagine this is the memorable Shackleton photo Denis refers to below. The left hand figure (in a cap) is usually identified as Hurley, though presumably he must be managing to take the photo as well. Despite the Bowman book caption (see Denis's query below) I don't think it can be Mr. 'Chips' McNish/McNeish, who was actually one of the older members of the crew. The spelling point is an intriguing one. I think it has been argued both ways. Shackleton certainly referred to the carpenter as 'McNish' at times; it says McNeish on his grave. Has anyone reached an authoritative final conclusion?

Chips Mc Neish (posted by Denis O' Connell, 29 May 2007, 10:15)

Just a trivial matter really. I have two books with conflicting identification. The first by Gerald Bowman titled "Scott to Fuchs", identifies the person squatting next to Shackleton and skinning a penguin as Chips Mc Nish. Bowman writes that he knew Mc Nish (note spelling) quite well and served on board a few ships with him. Bowman also knew Shackleton. Alfred Lansing's book "Endurance" makes a different identification on the same photograph as that of Frank Hurley. Actually I am enclined to think the latter is incorrect but can anyone say with conviction. Mc Neish is also spelt differently in Lansing's Book. For clarification, The photo shows Shackleton sitting on the right with a very grey beard and wide brim hat while the other person, on the left, is squatting and skinning some small animal or bird. A stove is visible in the background. Regards Denis.

Vincent and Visit and Learn (posted by Alvar Pederson, 29 May 2007, 09:26)

Denis - Very many thanks for your helpful reply, which confirmed my suspicions. There are some other pictures of Vincent on the "Endurance", with slightly curly hair, and he seemingly was a burly fellow, of substantial build. Some certainly saw him as a bit thuggish, though no doubt he pulled his weight when needed: it's a pity he wasn't a bit more like Crean and able to take the rough with the smooth, especially on the boat journey. (I haven't looked to see if Worsley has good things to say about him, before he fell ill). As to the "Visit and Learn" website (The HMS Endurance Tracking Project, www.visitandlearn.co.uk; see under 'Endurance Obituaries, inclujding updates), thanks for this valuable advice - it's clearly a goldmine of information on the crew, and seems to be regularly updated as new information turns up. I attach another picture which I believe is of Vincent, which some may not have seen. Best wishes

Message from James Concannon (posted 29 May 2007, 08:44)

Here's another photo - quite a famous one - of Vincent, snapped by Hurley aboard the "Endurance", for those who don't know it. Best,James

Reply to Alvar Pederson (posted by Denis O' Connell, 29 May 2007, 07:15)

Dear Alvar In reply, the gentleman in the photo (see enquiry below and portrait in uniform) is John William Vincent and a good deal can be learned about him on a web site titled www.visitandlearn.co.uk. Just do a search on any "Endurance" crew member and this site is likely to crop up. The photo of Vincent is late on in his life and he is dressed as captain in it. He was one of the crew who sailed from Elephant island to South Georgia (aboard the "James Caird"). By all accounts he was a powerful man and a bully. Regards Denis

Photo of? (posted by Alvar Pederson - Norway, 23 May 2007, 18:11)

I believe this a photo of one of the members of Shackleton's Endurance expedition. From his looks he seems to have become quite a high-ranking officer, later on in his life. Can anyone possibly tell me who he is, and what happened to him?

Caroline Alexander (posted by Ed Carbery Hartford Connecticut, 12 May 2007, 14:31)

I thought Shackleton fans might like to know that JCS member Caroline Alexander, author of the bestselling book about Shackleton Endurance, has also written a book about Captain Bligh and the mutiny on the Bounty (see picture below), which was voted one of the best nine books of the year by the New York Times. On Amazon it markets over here at $11.25 (in UK at £6.99)

McNEISH's CAT (posted by RD, 10 May 2007, 14:17)

Thanks for the message, Kieran, and it's a good question. You're right: Mrs. Chippy, the cat and ship's mascot, was a most important member of the Endurance crew. You're probably aware of Caroline Alexander's book 'Mrs. Chippy's Last Expedition' which gives a cat's-eye view of life on Shackleton's 1914 to 1916 expedition. Harry McNeish, the ship's carpenter, emigrated to New Zealand and is buried there (as is another member of the party, Thomas Orde-Lees) in Karori cemetery, Wellington. It's there that the statue of Mrs. Chippy, by Chris Elliott, can be seen. It was put there in 2004 by the New Zealand Antarctic Society. If you browse Google images for 'Mrs. Chippy' you should find several good photos of the statue, which shows the cat "looking relaxed, just as if he (not she!) was lying on 'Chips' McNeish's bunk." You can see probably the best collection online at www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/famous/chippy.html , which retells Mrs. C's story briefly and very well. The most famous picture of the cat shows him sitting comfortably and possessively on the shoulders of the Endurance's stowaway and ship's steward, Perce Blackborow.

Ships cat (posted by Kieran Aged twelve Co Monaghan, 8 May 2007, 23:07)

I heard recently that someone put up a statue to remember Mrs Chippy, the ship's cat on Shackleton's Endurance trip. Can anyone tell me if thats true, and where it is? Is there a picture? (Our family's special hero is Tom Crean, but the cat is a firm favorite too!)

Journal (posted by Michiko, 7 May 2007, 11:16)

To Stanislav : - Yes - a very high class journal. My husband and I, who are both Shackleton enthusiasts, have enjoyed reading it immensely here, on our return to Japan!

Journal Number Three (posted by Stanislaw Makin Vermont USA, 7 May 2007, 10:44)

I wonder if any JCS member felt the same as I did about the new James Caird Society Journal (Volume No. Three)? It seemed to me a very handsome and informative publication, and the printing and paper quality appeared first-class. I particularly enjoyed the article about Endurance Crew Member Walter How and the various Book Reviews.

Photograph of Alexandra Shackleton in Sydney (posted by RD JCS Website, 6 May 2007, 12:26)

Dear Anne, Thanks so much for sending us the super picture. It captures the scene quite brilliantly and imaginitively, as I think our readers will agree, and recalls the significance of Shackleton's granddaughter as an ambassador for the Society, and also her key role in preserving and sharing with others across the world the memory of her grandfather.

Alexandra Shackleton with her father's boat (posted by Anne Brisbane Australia, 6 May 2007, 11:31)

This rather splendid picture of the Society's President, The Hon. Alexandra Shackleton, was taken when she visited the exhibition 'Antarctic Heroes...Triumph & Tragedy' at the Australian National Maritime Museum, Darling Harbour, Sydney. It shows Sir Ernest Shackleton's granddaughter reflected in perspex glass as she gazes up at the James Caird, her grandfather's 23-foot boat, in which he made his famous rescue journey, on proud display. The boat formed the centrepiece of the display, which (according to the museum's website) attracted a staggering 146,268 visitors as well as record school numbers (some 15,571) from Primary and Secondary schools.

Launch of Shackleton forum (posted by Keith, 5 May 2007, 04:28)

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